I recently wrote an article where I talked about this super important issue that I’ve had countless discussions about with Tesla owners. Trust me, it’s a topic that’s been making waves because of the parts availability on Teslas that is causing repair times to drag on and there’s a buzz going on with more and more auto manufacturers diving into the Electric Vehicle market.
One thing that really caught my attention is the value of the battery on a Tesla. I’ve seen this issue pop up time and time again, and it’s something I definitely think we should dig into.
If you’re interested or dealing with this, I hope you’ll check out the entire article where I go into detail about my thoughts and opinions on this matter. I genuinely believe it’s a hot topic that deserves some serious discussion. So, click the link below to give it a read, and let’s kickstart a real conversation about how we should be handling these claims.
Thanks for taking the time to dive into this with me!
Diminished Value decreases a bit while Total Loss Values Soar!
Diminished Value Claim severity is dropping, while total loss settlement values are increasing! The effects of high demand on the automobile market.
As chip shortages and high demand for used vehicles continue, I’ve seen a couple of trends.
1. Minor to moderate accident histories on a vehicle are less damaging to the re-sale value than has been the case prior to approximately April 2021.
2. Most of the auto claim industry’s preferred vendors for market valuation reports haven’t caught up to the increased prices on used vehicle.
These two trends have dramatically affected the distribution of the percentage of cases we handle that are either total loss cases or diminished value cases. Specifically, a lot more people are seeking out our assistance for appraisal clause help because they believe they are getting a “low-ball” offer on their recently totaled vehicle. Spoiler. . . . they are normally right in their belief.
Although we are now doing more appraisal clause work than diminished value work, diminished value has not disappeared, nor has the increase in demand for used vehicles eliminated the potential for an economically viable pursuit for diminished value recovery.
What we’re seeing is that instead of the typical reduction (for a prior collision and repair history) of between 18% – 25% (depending on make/model/market), dealers and individuals are willing to bear a bit more risk and the deduction for a prior collision and repair history is not as severe in this current market of high demand.
Diminished value won’t be going away, but the severity of it is less right now due to Covid. On the other hand, total loss payouts are on the rise.
If you have questions or need more information regarding this subject, feel free to reach out to us and we’ll do our best to make sure you get the information or help you need. Both of our forms are below for a free consultation whether you have a DV claim or a Total Loss you want to talk about!
When a case like the one I am about to describe happens, it is hard for me to understand. If you’ve ever been in a dispute with an insurance company over the value of your automobile, then you know it can be a daunting task to get a fair settlement.
In a first party claim (where you’re making a claim against your own insurance company), if there’s a dispute, there’s normally a remedy written into the policy called “Appraisal”. Using this term is a bit tricky because, in most cases, the “Appraisal” remedy does not officially involve a written appraisal. Instead, when the dispute arises, either the insured or the insurance company can demand “Appraisal”, which is not the same as demanding “an” appraisal.
Appraisal as it is used in the policy means that each side picks an independent appraiser, and those two appraisers attempt to settle the dispute. If the appraisers can’t settle the dispute, they attempt to agree on an umpire (third appraiser) who will then try to resolve the dispute by seeing if they agree with either appraiser. Any two out of the three that agree to an award will bind the company and the insured to the award amount.
In the case that is the subject of this article, the insured owned a 1994 Nissan Avenir. Never heard of it? Yeah, me either, and I’m an auto appraiser, lol. Anyway, the vehicle is a right-hand drive utility wagon. It reminds me a bit of a Subaru Outback Wagon from the mid 1990’s. This particular vehicle was very clean and had very low miles (only 41,459 miles). The dealer where the owner bought it had it shipped over from Japan in 2019. In October of 2019, the vehicle was purchased for $6495.00. This was a pretty good price at the time. The vehicle is old enough that it does not have to meet the same stringent requirements in customs that newer vehicles do. So long as a shipping container can be obtained, then a dealer that is familiar with the Japanese market (where these right hand vehicles come from) can get one delivered for about $2500.00 (at least you could in October of 2019, before Covid 19 hit the world).
After the customer (who is an employee of the U.S. Postal Service) purchased the vehicle, she got to enjoy its reliability and practicality for a little less than a year before it was in a collision and deemed to be totaled by her insurance company (September of 2020). The insurance carrier, had their adjuster fill out the CCC valuation form to get a settlement value (you can read about CCC in some of my other articles), and once CCC did their thing and the owner fought for corrections, the offer for the vehicle was $4478.00.
Don’t forget, this offer was AFTER the owner had argued with the adjuster to get them to give her credit for options that the vehicle had which they had not originally inputted in the CCC portal. Unfortunately, even after arguing and reasoning and pointing out the reality that the offer was not fair, her carrier refused to negotiate and forced their customer to invoke the appraisal provision of her policy.
She did her research, hired me and named me as her appraiser, and we were able to get her carrier to name their appraiser. In typical fashion, the adjuster handling the claim was sorely unfamiliar with the appraisal clause process and how it’s officially navigated. I can’t image that carrier provided any training for appraisal clause cases. I have rarely dealt with any insurance company employee that was properly educated on the subject. Nevertheless, 10 days after the customer invoked the appraisal clause, the carrier named an appraiser with whom I was familiar.
At this point, since the other appraiser has been named, we’re supposed to discuss the loss amount and state our values. Instead, the other appraiser did something typical of an appraiser taking direction from an insurance company and delayed the claim by requesting information that is not part of the appraisal process, pretending all the while that it is required. The appraiser was clearly working for, and with, the insurance company to try and keep the claim expense down, without regard to the actual value of the property.
The company that the other appraiser works for is an appraisal company that seems to work exclusively for insurance companies. All the appraisers seem trained to be yes men for the insurance company clientele to which they cater. They do not seem to realize or care that they further victimize vehicle owners who have already been bullied by their carrier. I’ve been in business for myself over 12 years and working in auto claims for over 23, and my experience with this appraisal company and all of their appraisers (there’s about 4 of them that are all related), is that they are controlled by the insurance companies that hire them and are not truly independent.
Although the evidence points to them primarily working for the insurance company, I have been able to settle claims with them in the past, so I always try to give the appraisal company (even these snotty ones) the benefit of the doubt and discuss any case with them to see if we can settle it. Sometimes, because most carrier-oriented appraisal companies are not selecting comparable vehicles consistently, the initial number that the carrier’s appraiser comes up with is close enough to the real value that we can negotiate a little bit and settle the claim. Unfortunately, this appraisal company’s inconsistency is inconsistent and creates a realistic value scenario rarely and sporadically. In this case, the other appraiser placed a value on the Avenir of $3353.56. This is $1125.00 LOWER than the insurance company had already offered!
On top of that, the only comparable vehicle that the other appraiser located was still in Japan. Of course he did not account for any delivery costs to get it to the U.S.. After I saw his initial number, I emailed him saying that I couldn’t find any good comps in the U.S., but that my research indicated that the vehicle was valued at between $6500.00 and $7500.00. I did a lot of research and even called the dealer where vehicle was purchased. Because of Covid, the value of this vehicle increased from the time it was purchased until the accident. Covid caused a dramatic increase in shipping costs and, when the accident occurred (when the value must be measured), it was worth even more than she paid for it a year earlier. I tried multiple times to get the other appraiser to agree to a value of $6500.00. He refused to even discuss the value and without doing any additional research or even discussing what I found, he stated, “I don’t think I can come near that figure for just the value of the car alone based on what I found. I have attached my umpire list for your review.”
So. . . . 1) he found nothing comparable, 2) he did minimal research, 3) he refused to negotiate, and then 4) he sent me a list of umpires. I tried diligently to get him to agree to $6500.00. He wouldn’t discuss, insisting we cost both of our customers more money and go straight to an umpire. Although I can never trust an umpire to be fair, because of the strength of the research I had, I took a risk and agreed to an umpire.
Now for the perplexing part. . . .
We both provided our arguments to the umpire via email. I heard nothing for a couple of days. Then, all of the sudden, one day short of 90 days after the insured invoked the appraisal clause, the appraiser for the insurance company and the umpire signed an award for $7235.50 reflecting the ACV of the 1994 Nissan Avenir. Nobody discussed it with me at all.
Let me re-cap that for you again. . .
The customer’s carrier made a low offer on a total loss of $4478.00, so the customer invoked the appraisal clause to dispute the low offer. Then, the insurance company’s “independent” appraiser suggested a value of $3353.56 ($1125.00 LOWER than the original carrier offer). As the appraiser selected by the insured, I placed a value of between $6500 and $7500 on the vehicle and attempted to get the insurance company’s appraiser to agree to $6500.00, more than once. The insurance company’s appraiser refused to negotiate with me and made dilatory requests, unrelated to the formal appraisal process. His actions forced both the insurance company and the insured party to pay an additional fee to an umpire. All this just to immediately agree with the umpire to a value that was higher than I offered to agree to! I guess just the threat of having to talk to me was enough to get the appraiser in line. I mean, what was the point!?
If you want to know the names of the insurance company and appraisers and appraisal company referenced in this article, call my office. I’ll tell you straight up and you’ll know who to avoid! If you’re an insurance company playing games with your customers that invoke the appraisal clause, beware.
Whether you’re a vehicle owner, claims professional, or attorney, if you have questions about how the appraisal clause works or need help with anything regarding the property damage portion of an insurance claim, please call our office at 214-227-2154 and select option 1 to get a live person, and we’ll do our best to help you, or refer you to somebody that can! Information is always free at Petty Details, LLC!
Nothing in this article is to be construed as legal advice. Although the vast majority of policies contain a clause like the one described in this article, there can be differences in the process and rights based on the specific language of each policy.
What is the difference between an adjuster, an estimator and an appraiser?
This is a commonly confusing topic that Justin constantly has to clarify for people inside and outside of the insurance industry.
You would think it would be fairly simple to distinguish the difference but the insurance industry blurs the lines on this topic and fails to train their employees on the very important difference between these three positions.
Justin is setting the record straight today in an article he previously published on LinkedIn that we thought was worthy of posting here again on our site.
What can you expect from the new Carfax Total Loss Evaluation they just announced?
If you’re an insurance company or a dealer, then you can expect business as usual.
If you are the owner of a vehicle that has been totaled, then my guess is that you can expect nothing good from this new tool that is aimed at insurance companies.
Don’t be fooled; CARFAX is not going to provide private individuals with fair valuation reports on their car’s value.
Their announcement says the product will help ADJUSTERS that are considering total-loss claims. Yay, more help for adjusters and none for the victims, oh boy!
There are already total loss valuation companies that partner with insurance carriers and they have been, and / or are involved in class action lawsuits about the secret way they attempt to value vehicles (think CCC, or Mitchell) which many times results in a value that is much lower than what market information actually reflects.
The simple fact is that CARFAX is attempting to join the group of insurance partners who usurp authority on auto appraising. Keep in mind that CARFAX is not a vehicle valuation expert, nor are they an authority on auto appraisal methodology. They simply glean information about a vehicle’s history, and now they claim to have “History-Based Value” information.
The more one knows about Carfax and the more experience one has with Carfax, the less that person will trust them to give accurate results. Mark my words, the lack of transparency in valuation methodology will become increasingly evident as we see this new “CarfaxForClaims.com” portal take effect for adjusters.
My opinion is that it is just another way for insurance companies to pretend to be fair by partnering with a company that markets itself as consumer friendly (when it really isn’t). Look behind the big curtain in the corner folks.
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Get ready for your mind to be blown in the latest article from Justin Petty regarding the Appraisal Clause and how much it can vary from policy to policy.
You will see four different versions of the appraisal clause and he’ll compare them and show you some of the differences/problems with them. He’ll also talk about how they work and how the clauses can sometimes be worded in a way that ultimately works AGAINST you, even though everyone normally assumes it was created to HELP you!
Read his opinion about these different appraisal clauses and how you might be able to deal with them if you are trying to resolve your total loss.
You might walk away with more questions than you had before – luckily, Justin is just the guy to point you in the right direction!
Sometimes, when you invoke the appraisal clause, the two appraisers get in a sticky situation where they don’t agree and one tries to make up unwritten rules on the idea of “that is what we have always done”.
This case was one of those.
The owner had been through a pretty horrific hail storm and his new vehicle was totaled in the process. When he got his offer, he felt like it was pretty low. We took a look and agreed that his valuation contained the typical problems they normally do and seemed to be several thousand dollars off.
If you’ve done some Googling because of a total loss dispute with your insurance company, you probably came across information explaining your right to appraisal (also called the invoking the Appraisal Clause).
Unfortunately, because auto total loss disputes are usually less than $10,000.00, it is an area that hasn’t traditionally attracted attorneys (but there are a few attorneys that will fight for you).
In fact, because the amounts in dispute are typically under $10,000.00, most insurance companies don’t even train their claims staff about the appraisal clause.
I was an adjuster for over a decade and NOT EVEN ONCE was the appraisal clause mentioned. If you invoke the appraisal clause, you can bet that you will be dealing with a claims representative that has no clue what they are doing (if you’re an adjuster that thinks you know better, prove it).
I educate adjusters and insurance carriers every week about this little known right that their insureds have.
Prove a point on your total loss due to flooding after Hurricane Harvey with the Appraisal Clause
If you’re a victim of the recent flooding in South Texas and have a total loss due to flooding with your carrier, you should call our office immediately and make sure that any offer you get is fair and reasonable.
Now that South Texas is dealing with the aftermath of Hurricane Harvey and Florida and Georgia brace for the impact of category 5 Hurricane Irma, victims will undoubtedly be dealing with total loss claims in exponential numbers and they need to know that insurance companies routinely handle these claims in a very dogmatic manner.
The biggest tactic is for a carrier to simply refuse to negotiate.
They will simply tell you, “take it or leave it”.
They like to claim that they do not have the authority to negotiate outside of their captive company market reports.